Funny how entertainment companies make it harder and harder to find anything useful on their sites. Check out WB, Sony Pictures. What a mess of a site each of them has.

I tried going on APM.COM, and they've DELETED the Jack Shaindlin music cues [Kevin Langley must be as frustrated as me here] and they have TOTALLY CHANGED the look..

:sigh:

The part at the end where I say its the most intellectualy stimulating form of art wasn't serious so much as a piss take at people who say the same thing about whatever form of media they support.

There's one more thing I wanted to say about Spike Spiegel as a character. Yes, I have to agree he is as complex and vunerable as the next man with some the episodes had to through in his life, with the mob and his girlfriend. But you really have to be more than a troubled soul to be an enduring character; You have to have charisma and style. Call me old fashion but Spike seems more of then insipid rock star generation with his lanky physique, soft looks, and unkempt attire. Lupin was almost simular but he carried himself with a bit more class like Alain Delon or the early James Bond. Lupin was a gentlemen theif with a school-boy lust for woman and sex. And though he had boyish good looks, he also bears some semblance to a monkey. Another thing is Lupin's cool demeanor seems so much more natural. Spike, and other, Shinichirō Watanabe characters, seem too hard to try to be cool as though they are very insecure people trying to impress those around them. As I have said earlier in this thread, Monkey Punch's humility is evident in his cartoons and that is why they leave an impression on you a lot more than Wantanabe's. That's all on that subject.

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/batman-arkham-city/news/batman-arkham-city-exposed-first-image-of-villains-plus-new-details-on-story-characters-and-gameplay/a-20100811102522728029/g-20091214174528870002/c-1#10374492282500184926147375512947157

I am rather impressed with the new details. I played the living hell out of Arkham Asylum and this sequel looks like even better. 

I am sorry but that is philistine talk to me. Everything doesn't go and you have learn a craft and take advantage of the tools you can use to make something great.


You don't think any of that requires good animation skills ? Especially action ? Please ! Also don't tell me "the written jokes can still be could" because those jokes usually reflect the nature of the poor workmanship of everything else. Dialogue in several upon several Looney Tunes cartoons is a lot sharper then any modern cartoon.


I don't think a Charles Addams illustration is as a artisically bankrupt as a Family Guy illustration. Family Guy illustrations possesses no skill what so ever.

"Then what is suitable ? "

Whatever anyone wants to be suitable. A desire to make a film that doesn't look precisely like the real world, for example. While this could be done with (non-animation) effects, I still think it's sufficient.

"A Ralph Phillips is not suppose to be much of a character; He is a dreamer and the entertainment is the dreams he has"

You mean like the plot, action, music, verbal jokes, sexiness, or any other given trait could provide entertainment in another piece?

I'm not actually claiming Bebop is a cartoon (there are scenes here and there that I might, but not the show taken as a whole). I am making the argument in regards to other animated projects, like Family Guy, and that those other projects may be properly defined as cartoons in spite of them lacking certain cartoony traits you may find in other cartoons, as a Charles Addams illustration may lack certain cartoony traits but still properly be considered a cartoon.

Then what is suitable ? You seem think a person or objects simply moving suffices as good animation. I'd like to think that someone should take all the advantages he or she can or else what is the point ?



A Ralph Phillips is not suppose to be much of a character; He is a dreamer and the entertainment is the dreams he has.



Then you really to examine human anatomy. I seem to posses jowls and a nose that simply more than a triangle. Anyway as either character, you probably wouldn't look very attractive in live-action. 




I already admitted that I do enjoy certain cartoons that lack certain characteristics, like the early Simpsons shorts example. Clearly, you can see the difference between those crude yet inventive shorts and Cowboy Bebop's totally absence of any specific character animation.

"Pretty foolish to state conveying emotions as novelty just like me stating the surreal images you love so much is also just a novelty. I think it's essential to have the best of both worlds in an animated film"

Neither emotions nor surreality is essential to the suitability of animation for a given project. We may each enjoy one or more of those aspects, but our individual tastes do not encompass all tastes.

"People are not that simple "

Neither is the character of Spike. But even if it was, Cowboy Bebop is not meant as an exhaustive biography of an actual person. You may as well critique Ralph Phillips for being only an air headed dreamer, because people just aren't that simple.

"Also again going back to the appeal of animated character, the character design is just terribly cliched anime; A poor sense of human anatomy."

Others disagree about the subjective appeal; as to anatomy, I think I would prefer to be (and I think I am) shaped more like Spike than Elmer Fudd.

"Printed cartoons and animated cartoons are two different things. I dislike Charles Addam's work because I don't find him as talented as other print cartoonists. Besides, we are talking about animation."

While we are talking about the approriateness of animation as a form for certain works, we are also talking about cartoons and cartooniness. Print cartoons and animated cartoons are not wholly separate things. If print cartoons can lack certain cartoon characteristics and yet remain cartoons, as you seem to admit you find at least some of Addams's cartoons to do, why is it that you cannot accept the same lack of certain cartoon characteristics in animation and have them remain cartoons, albeit cartoons you do not like?

I hate it when they put the wrong backgrounds on cels.