DVNR on Robin Hood DVD (UK)

[Chris]

Just recently bought a two disc set of Dumbo and Robin Hood on DVD and there's some very noticeable DVNR artifacting on the Robin Hood disc, I thought Disney were supposed to be the most careful with restoration, there are some really fast-moving scenes that do get teared up by this process.  Does anyone else know if this is the case with the US version as well?

[Lyris]

Edit: hey Chris, I just remembered, Robin Hood has a ton of weak pencil lines because of the Xerox production method. That can look a bit like DVNR artefacts. You sure it's not that?

[Chris]

Looked a lot like DVNR to me, I'll try and do some screenshots when I have time.  Anyway, colour was very good, rich but not oversaturated.  By the way, what's the Xerox production method?

[Lyris]

The Disney guys would do rough sketches on paper, then to save money they'd basically photocopy them onto cels. It saved a lot of time because before the drawings would have to be traced onto cels.

The down-side is that it gave them the scribbly look.

[Chris]

I can see what you mean, I kind of like the scribbly look though.  The effects I can see are definitely DVNR:

[Malchik]

Yah that's DVNR. It's blending Robbin's sword to his fur.

[Lyris]

Yep, that's DVNR all right. Well done Disney!

[Malchik]

Add it to the hall of shame!

[KarmaRocketX]

That sucks.

So, now even Disney is using that crap? What happened to "restored by hand?"

You know, it almost seems like ever since lyris printed his article about DVNR, everything from Disney's Robin Hood to TOEI's Dragonball Z has DVNR all over it.

I have to believe that these companies know this... they just don't care anymore. I guess, being able to write "Remastered" on the packaging and sell a few extra copies while degrading the quailty is more profitable, and therefore more important than preserving animation.

Before you know it, all copies of any piece of animation done before the year 2000, will be DVNR'd and ugly.

[Lyris]

Disney used it before but were a bit more careful about it. Man, all of this over a few specks of film dirt, who seriously cares about a black blob every now and then?

[Tiny Tim]

Disney used it before but were a bit more careful about it. Man, all of this over a few specks of film dirt, who seriously cares about a black blob every now and then?

If anything it will help the "timeless classic" claim seem more valid.

[Chris]

This Special Edition DVD also features a forest full of merriment ... plus a new digital transfer ...

So, did they do another transfer for the special edition DVD then?  If so, I wonder if there was any DVNR on the original?

You know, I was watching this with my flatmates at Uni a while back, I spotted the DVNR then but wasn't gonna bore them with my geeky knowledge!

I've noticed my flatmates don't notice technical glitches (sorry about the repetition), one of my flatmates who studies animation has juddery DVD playback on his laptop but hasn't noticed it, and one time we were watching Jungle Book in his room and he commented on how poor the animation was, I asked him why and he said it wasn't very fluid and that modern animation is superior (in some other words which I can't remember) :notworthy: , can't say I agree with that one bit, but there you go.

[Malchik]

Little Mermaid was also heavily DVNR'd. Saw it playing at Wal-mart on a large screen TV and floored me. They also air brushed the priest boner as well

[Chris]

The priest boner?

[Lyris]

Yeah, there was a priest in the film with knobbly knees. Some conservative Christians saw it and decided it was actually a penis (despite the fact that you can CLEARLY SEE it's his knee later in the same scene):



Yes, it's an erection that points DOWNWARDS......  :|

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